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How can someone who calls himself a Christian think it is right to slander others in our Lords name. I pray for him and others like him who are not walking with Jesus like they so 'publicly' preach for others to do. I believe what the Bible says about homosexuality but I do not go verbally and publicly displaying my distaste for the act and pointing the finger at one particular nation. I am pretty sure there are a lot of gay people in the USA too, and England, Africa, Europe.....hmmmm all over the world. We do not need to be the ones judging others, that is not our job, Jesus asks us to love everyone and serve others....NOT JUDGE OTHERS! Everyone will have their turn to explain themselves to God in due time. These people should focus more on bringing people to 'The Body Of Christ'.

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Absolutely, I've always found the most enjoyab...

2010-02-24T20:28:20.276+11:00

Absolutely, I've always found the most enjoyable part of any event like this is the social side of things (hence the calendar http://criticalmasspodcast.blogspot.com/2010/02/whos-who-at-gac-big-names.html)

That being said, knowing who's interrupting your hangover might be helpful...

Actually I a more interested in meeting fellow Ath...

2010-02-22T18:20:02.257+11:00

Actually I a more interested in meeting fellow Atheists, well at least equally interested :)

I am hoping that something comes of the convention a cultural shift, a consciousness raising event.

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As I read this I couldn't help but think that ...

2010-01-04T01:30:33.754+11:00

As I read this I couldn't help but think that I'm glad I'm circumcised, if for no other reason than every woman I've had any kind of intimate relationship with doesn't like (or wouldn't like) an uncircumcised penis. I also couldn't help but think that I'm glad it happened when I was a baby because I don't remember it at all. When I stand naked in front of a mirror, I don't consider myself "mutilated" at all. If my parents had waited till I was old enough to decide for myself, I'd have been angry at them.

This isn't really an argument for anything, just my initial reaction after reading.

Hi, mum.

2009-10-29T09:31:53.996+11:00

Hi, mum.

I just want to point out that AllAboutLife.com has...

2009-10-11T14:40:12.301+11:00

I just want to point out that AllAboutLife.com has been in use since November 1998. Thats means it was registered almost 10 years ago.

So who is copying who’s ideas, and who is snatching similar domain names up?

But I thank them for the traffic just the same…

I don't get it.

2009-09-25T17:38:41.798+10:00

I don't get it.

Jonny_eh said... "The enjoyment of sex is...

2009-08-25T11:12:33.584+10:00
Jonny_eh said...
"The enjoyment of sex is more than 'the number of nerve endings' in a penis. In fact, many men have the problem of too much sensitivity, causing premature ejaculation, which I would think is undesirable."

Sure sex is more that the number or nerve endings but you can only reduce the number not add. This is why your suggestions fail. If you have premature ejaculation problem then consider circumcision not other way around as you suggest. You might circumcise someone with ejaculation problem later in life and cause more harm. (BTW foreskin is not "a piece of useless skin" as you wrote in sciencebasedmedicine.org)

Jonny_eh said...
"[comparing circumcision to abortion of female babies is] just plain poisoning the well...it's a silly analogy"

I disagree. There is no medical need for the abortion of female fetuses, people don't see that they don't hurt anyone in the process and use cultural cost-benefit analysis to decide if to do it. Same arguments can be used for both practices.

Jonny_eh said...
"We're talking about a harmless procedure that imparts some pros and some cons"

So a harmless procedure has cons?

Jonny_eh said...
"The point was that since there were nothing overtly troubling about circumcision"

If you don't see it, it does not mean it is not troubling. I tried to explain that many people like me think it is troubling, so let's not do it to babies who do not understand the procedure. When they get older we can ask them if the procedure troubles them. I don't see many adults doing non-medically needed circumcision, so people don't see any real value in it...

Jonny_eh said...
"Simply speaking, [circumcision] is like vaccinations."

Sorry this is false analogy and nonsense. Vaccination prevent diseases with very high probability. According to your study circumcision has only cultural benefits.

Jonny_eh said...
"The risks and benefits need to be judged on their own merits."

I agree and let the person do the judging himself, just like you like to make your own decisions.

Jonny_eh said...
"CDC is considering mass circumcision due to the massive benefit of reducing HIV transmission rates."

Sorry I did not see the word "massive" in the article. I believe CDC recommends that you use a condom to prevent HIV and is clear that circumcision is not a solution to HIV. People need to be educated about HIV; circumcision is not the solution, condom is (partly). Unfortunately the story does not tell how many CDC people or African health officials decided to circumcise themselves based on their own recommendation (?). People seem to be so eager to cut the genitals of other people who are defenseless, but not their own...

Oh, and apparently the CDC is considering mass circumcision due to the massive benefit of reducing HIV transmission rates.

"So circumcision removes the essential part o...

2009-08-24T13:42:23.488+10:00
"So circumcision removes the essential part of the body to have best possible sex life and is mutilation. You study nicely omitted it."

It is not a shut case on whether or not circumcision negatively impacts the enjoyment of sex. The enjoyment of sex is more than 'the number of nerve endings' in a penis. In fact, many men have the problem of too much sensitivity, causing premature ejaculation, which I would think is undesirable.

The study did address this though. See the section "Other Considerations"

"The researchers wonders "one can only wonder what possessed ancient people to first think of removing the foreskin" but we have a reasonably idea why."

First of all, the study you linked to is just a suggestion of a possible reason. It's untestable, and to me not very convincing. We will never know for sure why this practice became so popular in so many different cultures. I suspect there were different reasons in the different cultures, and those reasons could have changed over time too. Regardless, it's not very relevant why the practice came about. The question at stake here is if it should be done now.

"Their relativistic cultural cost-benefit analysis would also support abortion of female babies, voluntary wife burning and slavery I guess."

That's just plain poisoning the well. We're talking about a harmless procedure that imparts some pros and some cons. No babies are being aborted, and no wives are being burned. You missed the point. The point was that since there were nothing overtly troubling about circumcision (it's medical benefit/risk is neutral, etc) there's no need to interfere with people's cultural traditions. I could argue back that preventing circumcision would be like preventing dragon boat races. Of course I wouldn't since it's a silly analogy, like yours.

"Now explain me again if circumcision is needed why can they wait until kids are legally old enough to make their own decision?"

They explained it multiple times in the paper and response section.

Simply speaking, it's like vaccinations. For it to have its maximum benefit, it needs to be given when the child is young. Less painful, recovers faster, etc. Reread the section on the second page titled "Informed Consent"

I'd also like to argue that the idea that the foreskin should remain in place, all things being equal (risk/benefit being neutral for circumcision) is an example of the naturalistic fallacy. Just because "that's how god made us", it does not mean that it's "better" or "preferrable". The risks and benefits need to be judged on their own merits.

You are an imbecile.

2009-08-23T18:46:35.334+10:00
You are an imbecile.

Jonny_eh, The study on your link is self contradi...

2009-08-21T21:34:13.205+10:00
Jonny_eh,

The study on your link is self contradictory.
"Mutilation = Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of any conspicuous or essential part of the body."

Circumcision always removes a large sexually significant portion of the penis and the glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis (PDF).

So circumcision removes the essential part of the body to have best possible sex life and is mutilation. You study nicely omitted it.

The researchers wonders "one can only wonder what possessed ancient people to first think of removing the foreskin" but we have a reasonably idea why.

Their relativistic cultural cost-benefit analysis would also support abortion of female babies, voluntary wife burning and slavery I guess. They claim cultural bias, but don't explain why my bias is wrong (Bias does not equal wrong). They say that "We are not endorsing or condemning cultural views in favor of or against circumcision" but also say that it is OK for Jews to do it. Logically they should have then not said anything to support it. This article gave me a headache. Their "How not to argue about circumcision" is even worse.

Now explain me again if circumcision is needed why can they wait until kids are legally old enough to make their own decision?

"It would be like recommending we all cut off...

2009-08-21T12:48:37.744+10:00
"It would be like recommending we all cut off our lips because of the high risk of gingivitis in un-lipped people."

Sorry I meant to say "It would be like recommending we all cut off our lips because of the high risk of gingivitis in lipped people"

Before you use a loaded term like 'mutilation&...

2009-08-20T23:55:41.617+10:00
Before you use a loaded term like 'mutilation' please read this ethics paper on the topic. It's a bit long, but it covers all the arguments, and don't forget the responses to letters on the second page.

I completely agree with you. Circumcision should o...

2009-08-20T23:12:02.968+10:00
I completely agree with you. Circumcision should only be performed for medical reasons while the child cannot make an informed decision by himself. The recommendation that circumcisions should be performed because of the apparent link between non-circumcision and a higher risk of STI's is dubious to me. It would be like recommending we all cut off our lips because of the high risk of gingivitis in un-lipped people. Proper hygiene is all that is necessary, not mutilation.

This guy is just incredible. The amount of disresp...

2009-08-15T23:08:37.497+10:00
This guy is just incredible. The amount of disrespect and ridicule he throws around at those with whom he disagrees says a lot about his personal character. So to, does the fact that he's onto his third wife, which couples well with the way he makes himself sound like a complete turd in many interviews and engagements. I mean, I can completely understand why those who agree with him might like hearing him speak- it'd be akin to masturbation, albeit intellectually. But I often wonder, on the rare occasions that I listen to him, whether he actually realises how offputting he comes across as to those whom he's presumably trying to convince. He needs to take some lessons from Aristotle about the art of persuasion- You don't persuade people by getting them emotionally offside from the beginning.

Although to be honest, after hearing about all the misrepresentations and twisted facts in the God Delusion, it is surprising that anyone would take him seriously, in an intellectual sense, anymore anyway.

Once you get away from his vitriolic, insulting, sarcastic tone and his arrogant attitude, and try to focus on what he has to say, it's pretty clear he hasn't got much substance anyway.

Equating intelligent design with young earth creationism (at the beginning implied via mentioning the Discovery Institute)is a smear of the utmost proportions, and loses him credibility instantly. Does he not actually realise that many of foremost modern defenders of Intelligent Design are not even Christian, much less Bible bashing literalists? The fact that he's sacrificing honesty for rhetorical effect in his opening minutes should mean most studious listeners avoid wasting their time listening to the man. And so I'll stop after a rather unenlightening and frustrating 4 minutes!

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2009-08-09T07:28:31.000+10:00
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2009-08-03T22:17:33.110+10:00
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As I read this I couldn't help but think that ...

Hi, mum.

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I don't get it.

Jonny_eh said... "The enjoyment of sex is...

Oh, and apparently the CDC is considering mass circumcision due to the massive benefit of reducing HIV transmission rates.

"So circumcision removes the essential part o...

You are an imbecile.

Jonny_eh, The study on your link is self contradi...

"It would be like recommending we all cut off...

Before you use a loaded term like 'mutilation&...

I completely agree with you. Circumcision should o...

This guy is just incredible. The amount of disresp...

That Eve is a real floozy. I wouldn't trust he...

Heh heh heh heh heh...

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